Comments on: Twin Cities Hospitals Want to Copy … Toyota?!

By: mgraban

mgraban — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:42:33 +0000

There’s some misleading stuff in here. Seeing 60 patients a day instead of 35 doesn’t mean everyone is working twice as hard. With Lean, waste and problems are eliminated from the process by engaging staff (including nurses) – the use of the stopwatch is to help identify barriers to providing patient care, not to force people to run faster or work harder.

By: 32magic1971

32magic1971 — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:00:13 +0000

I don’t want to go to a hospital that wants to blueprint itself after Toyota, we see how thats working for them. Imagine all the issues there will be with patient care under the “Toyota model”. We will see MANY more preventable deaths in a hospital setting than we are seeing with Toyota cars. Look at the numbers and you will see the priorities of the hospital management is out of whack. I say lets admit management to the hospital and have them receive average care, no special treatment.

By: mgraban

mgraban — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:14:38 +0000

32magic1971 – if you know anything about hospitals, you already know it’s VERY dangerous without Lean/Toyota methods. Go research hospitals like ThedaCare in Wisconsin that are using Lean to reduce mortality and improve patient care. Lean makes things MORE safe. Google “Fox News Collaborative care video” for more. People are jumping to conclusions about Lean without researching it.

By: chuckoverbeck

chuckoverbeck — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:00:50 +0000

When did nursing go from being a profession to being a unskilled trade? How can I respect a nurse who doesn’t see value in what he/she offers and needs to join a union?

By: bjm3986

bjm3986 — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:54:10 +0000

@chuckoverbeck How can you respect an administration who does’t see the value in what nurses offer and need to hire people like you and “Toyota” to tell them how we should do our jobs? We are organized to protect our profession from the “business” sharks who see even hospitals and patients as dollar signs. Where is the humanity in for getting that this is a PEOPLE situation, not production!

By: bjm3986

bjm3986 — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:04:58 +0000

@32magic1971 I agree! Maybe they’re OK with being “recalled”.

By: bjm3986

bjm3986 — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:01:48 +0000

@mgraban You have never actually followed a nurse going from 35 to 60 pts. People like you forget that each pt is a different situation, an individual, not a DRG.

By: robertzoobomb

robertzoobomb — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:15:10 +0000

@chuckoverbeck
Hi Chuck. The value of joining a union for nurses is to protect patients from predatory money hungry hospital administration.

By: 32magic1971

32magic1971 — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:29:46 +0000

@mgraban I know plenty about hospitals. I have a wife and many many cousins, friends and a mother in law in nursing. Lean practices as they are wanting in the cities WILL BE VERY DANGEROUS. There are safe numbers of patiants and then there are the numbers the OVER PAID execs want to pass down the line.

By: mgraban

mgraban — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:12:31 +0000

@bjm3986 35 to 60 patients, what are you talking about? I agree patients should be treated as individuals, you want to lump lean advocates into “people like you” categories — what is that all about? You don’t know me, don’t make assumptions.